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    Driz
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    Has the principle of omitting the sign for a ‘No Loading At Any Time’ been tested yet at TPT do we know?

    We have a particularly problematic school where parents are continually parking on the grass verges adjacent to double yellows and it’s causing considerable damage and is annoying the local residents… Introducing posts, bollards or railings around the grassed areas is not an option here for various reasons and so we are now considering introducing a ‘No Loading At Any Time’ using just the double kerb blips marking only. It would be an issue just planting any posts for the signplates into the grassed area (despite the damage being done to the grass and tree roots)..

    The 5 minute observation period for the DYL enforcement is preventing any realistic enforcement taking place as the parents seem to have a WhatsApp groupchat on the go and as soon as our officers turn up to patrol they all come running back to their cars within 5 minutes. A loading ban would at least allow instant PCN to be issued and the message may start to sink in. It’s a bit extreme but won’t impact on residents and is worth a shot provided that TPT aren’t going to side with anyone who contests the resulting PCNs…. Were assuming the same principle applies to double kerb blips as it does to double yellows, but don’t want to be the first to have to contest this principle at TPT.

    Thoughts?

    #3835

    SimonMorgan
    March 2019

    If the problem is mainly verge parking, have you thought about a TRO banning that? Verge/footway parking can be enforced under CPE without an observation period. For a limited stretch of road, it is best signed with yellow S4-3-6 plates, but could be made a zonal restriction using S5-3-7.

    Westminster has experimented with 24/7 no loading without vertical signs. Apparently there were no enforcement problems but no-one appealed specifically on the grounds of the absence of plates. A 24/7 no loading could of course trigger a public enquiry if there were unresolved objections. It might be difficult to explain to the inspector that there wasn’t actually a loading problem, but you were just wanting to get rid of the observation period.

    Some authorities have resorted to red ‘no stopping’ lines near schools, even though these are supposed to be a whole route treatment.

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